C__Petersen okay, it’s clear that i’m not going to work up the energy to write an entire report about the demands group meeting yesterday.
1 hour ago
C__Petersen instead, i’ll just tweet it.
1 hour ago
C__Petersen this was the fourth meeting of the demands group in two weeks.
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C__Petersen these folks want to move a demand forward asap. yet they can’t bring themselves to meet more than twice a week.
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C__Petersen at the first demands meeting, a decision was made to pursue ‘jobs for all’. a proposal was put forward. read it here. lbo-news.com/2011/10/20/ows…
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C__Petersen it was also decided that no further debate would be allowed about what demand to pursue. or even the language of the proposal.
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C__Petersen those decisions in themselves are i think against the spirit of this movement.
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C__Petersen when asked, late in the meeting, why the clique supporting this proposal was not open to any possible amendments
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C__Petersen a guy said that then the proposal would just be debated to death. it’s astonishing that they felt three hours was enough to call it dead.
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C__Petersen when asked what had been done to bring outside members to the meetings, a member of the clique said they had handed out fliers.
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C__Petersen an announcement had been made at a single General Assembly.
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C__Petersen when asked if other working groups had been approached and invited to attend, the answer was no.
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(Retrospective addition: As one young woman said, “Clearly there’s a problem when the only way I found out about this meeting was by reading Doug Henwood’s blog.”)
C__Petersen yet they stood by this decision to eliminate all further debate, reached by 23 people in the first meeting.
1 hour ago
C__Petersen this group also operates on what they called the ‘75 percent’ consensus model. i couldn’t get an answer on when this had been decided, or by whom.
1 hour ago
C__Petersen the General Assembly operates on the 90 percent consensus model.
1 hour ago
C__Petersen if a demand can’t reach 90 percent in committee, it’s hard to see how it will reach 90 percent at the General Assembly.
1 hour ago
C__Petersen at the last meeting, a proposal had been made to bring the ‘jobs for all’ demand to the General Assembly. this proposal was voted down.
1 hour ago
C__Petersen but this meeting wasn’t started with a chance to take stock and figure out a way to move forward.
55 minutes ago
C__Petersen instead, the agenda read: “1. Schedule to bring ‘Jobs for All’ demand to the General Assembly.”
55 minutes ago
C__Petersen a vote was never taken on whether the group accepted this agenda. it was simply distributed by the inner clique.
55 minutes ago
C__Petersen at the beginning of the meeting, a vote was taken on who to have lead the meeting as a facilitator.
54 minutes ago
C__Petersen a woman named Cecily was proposed. a group of ten people opposed having her as a facilitator. another woman, named Woods, was suggested.
54 minutes ago
C__Petersen the group agreed Cecily and Woods would co-faciliate. Cecily, who was clearly a member of the inner clique, promptly took over.
56 minutes ago
C__Petersen throughout the meeting she defended the proposal being put forward. every time she defended it she stepped outside her role as facilitator.
55 minutes ago
C__Petersen i’m fine with facilitators occasionally stepping out to state their views. but to do so they must ‘step out’, as it were.
54 minutes ago
C__Petersen there was hardly any distinction in this meeting between the facilitator and the people putting forward the proposal.
54 minutes ago
C__Petersen this is not what a ‘leaderless movement’ looks like.
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C__Petersen when the proposal to bring the demand to the GA once again failed to reach consensus,
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C__Petersen Cecily briefly proposed that we move to ‘simple majority’ consensus, requiring only half the people present to approve.
52 minutes ago
C__Petersen it’s worth noting that this is the only #OWS meeting i’ve been at where each vote was individually counted.
52 minutes ago
C__Petersen if you have to do that, you clearly haven’t reached consensus.
52 minutes ago
C__Petersen it’s also worth noting that the guy who had brought the proposal, Jay, was a white older dude wearing a sweatshirt that said ‘Vail’.
51 minutes ago
C__Petersen Cecily, a young white woman, was using an iPad throughout and had her lapdog with her.
51 minutes ago
C__Petersen i’m not trying to be mean about this — i’m a twenty something white dude myself.
50 minutes ago
C__Petersen if anything i took the whiteness and evident wealth of the inner clique to show this group’s youth. this is what you get after 4 meetings.
49 minutes ago
C__Petersen part of the outreach being proposed was that there would be workshops with the ‘jobs for all’ proposal.
47 minutes ago
C__Petersen a young woman pointedly asked “What’s a workshop when there’s no possibility of changing the demand or even its wording?”
46 minutes ago
C__Petersen this gets to what made this working group seem to me fundamentally not part of Occupy Wall Street.
45 minutes ago
C__Petersen they are so afraid of any changes to the proposal they put forward in their first meeting that they will not tolerate any further debate.
44 minutes ago
C__Petersen they are afraid that any further debate will result in endless debate.
43 minutes ago
C__Petersen they are furthermore so concerned about the weather, and the youth of this movement, that they believe they must move forward asap
43 minutes ago
C__Petersen regardless of all criticism brought forward.
42 minutes ago
C__Petersen the result is a classic politics of fear / politics of emergency.
42 minutes ago
C__Petersen their rebuttal is that the place for this debate is at the General Assembly.
41 minutes ago
C__Petersen as i put it rather late in the meeting: “Point of information: The General Assembly is a terrible place to hold a long debate.”
40 minutes ago
C__Petersen the concern of those opposed to bringing this demand forward is that it will go down in flames
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C__Petersen and make it incredibly difficult to bring other demands forward in the future.
40 minutes ago
C__Petersen this is also something of a politics of fear.
40 minutes ago
C__Petersen but the faction opposed was only asking that the process be opened up and more debate be done to find a demand the Assembly would agree on.
39 minutes ago
C__Petersen i, at least, am very much in favor of full employment. but i would start with either getting money out of politics or debt forgiveness.
38 minutes ago
C__Petersen as much as anything, the decision to pursue a ‘jobs for all’ demand first shows how far this group is outside the mainstream of #OWS.
37 minutes ago
C__Petersen eventually an alternative proposal was put forward: outreach for the next four days, then a new meeting on Thursday
37 minutes ago
C__Petersen where potential amendments to the ‘jobs for all’ demand would be considered. but only to this demand — not other proposed demands.
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C__Petersen if amendments could be agreed on, then the new, amended demand would go to the Assembly on Sunday.
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C__Petersen Cecily suggested a ‘friendly amendment’: whatever proposal was reached on Thursday would go to the Assembly, even if no amendments passed.
36 minutes ago
C__Petersen at this point the woman who had put forward the alternate proposal could have rejected this amendment by calling it ‘unfriendly’.
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C__Petersen instead, she said she would call it an ‘acquaintance’ level amendment, but accept it.
35 minutes ago
C__Petersen this amended proposal was put to the group, which had thinned out by this time, and received something like 77 percent approval.
35 minutes ago
C__Petersen i voted for it. in retrospect i deeply regret this vote.
34 minutes ago
C__Petersen in retrospect, i don’t approve of what the demands group is doing in any way. their entire process strikes me as fundamentally flawed.
34 minutes ago
C__Petersen if they bring the ‘jobs for all’ demand forward i think it will make it very difficult to bring any other demands forward in the future.
33 minutes ago
C__Petersen but i guess i got caught up in the moment. we had worked so hard. consensus seemed attractive.
33 minutes ago
C__Petersen i later realized that it may well be the only important vote i’ve ever made in my life.
32 minutes ago
C__Petersen so it goes. the inner clique is clearly a group of democratic socialists with no interest in bottom up organizing.
31 minutes ago
C__Petersen they were merely following the General Assembly process in a pro forma way to ram through something they had already decided on.
31 minutes ago
C__Petersen it’s amazing to me how little interest so many in the Old New Left have in learning from the success of the anarchists at #OWS.
29 minutes ago
C__Petersen in an alternate universe they would have said ‘we need demands! i wonder how we can agree to some in this new structure.’
29 minutes ago
C__Petersen instead it’s just going to be a replay of the fight at the Jacobin panel.jacobinmag.com/blog/?p=1937
28 minutes ago
C__Petersen for the curious: the demands group will be going to the facilitation meeting tomorrow (Tuesday, October 25) at 4 to begin their campaign to get on the agenda.
27 minutes ago
C__Petersen facilitation meetings are at The Atrium, the big indoor space that many groups have been using, at 60 Wall Street.
27 minutes ago
C__Petersen the demands group is hoping to get on the schedule for the Sunday General Assembly.
27 minutes ago
C__Petersen the inner clique’s plan, i believe, is to flood the square with socialists and union members so that the anarchists will be outnumbered.
26 minutes ago
C__Petersen meanwhile, the next demands group meeting will be this thursday at 6 pm. they’ll be debating how to amend the ‘jobs for all’ proposal.
25 minutes ago
C__Petersen i’m not quite sure whether i think the demands group really should be able to get on the General Assembly’s agenda.
24 minutes ago
C__Petersen they’ve certainly gone through the motions. there were 60 people at the last meeting.
24 minutes ago
C__Petersen it’s hard to say “You’re not in the spirit of #OWS.”
24 minutes ago
C__Petersen my own hope is that there will be a second agenda item for whatever Assembly their proposal gets brought up at.
23 minutes ago
C__Petersen so that after the ‘jobs for all’ demand gets voted down we can take up something do agree on.
23 minutes ago
C__Petersen obviously this second proposal won’t be a demand. but it would be something to help unite the movement.
22 minutes ago
C__Petersen i’m also tempted to say that it may turn out that none of this will matter at all.
22 minutes ago
C__Petersen but given how much the media has structured the narrative about #ows around demands, any Assembly level debate will get a lot of coverage.
21 minutes ago
C__Petersen so even if most of the people actually involved couldn’t care less, i do think that this could turn out to be an important moment.
21 minutes ago
C__Petersen if you’re interested, go to the facilitation meeting on Tuesday at 4, and the Demands meeting on Thursday at 6. both at 60 Wall Street.
21 minutes ago
C__Petersen and i’ll try to get the word out if this ever does come to the Assembly.
20 minutes ago
C__Petersen the important thing will be to have some alternative proposal to put forward after ‘jobs for all’ fails, as it inevitably will.
20 minutes ago
C__Petersen .@jksturgeo modified consensus, as practiced by the General Assembly, is 90 percent. i don’t see why the Demands Group needs 75 percent.
19 minutes ago
C__Petersen @jksturgeo they said they had previously agreed on 75 percent. several members of the group disputed this.
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C__Petersen final addition: as i put it at the demands meeting, “I’m not even an anarchist!”
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